"Jesus never claimed to be God."
False. Jesus said about himself: ”If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." "The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me." "I and the Father are one.” "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?" "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11;14:33;28:9,17;Luke 24:52;John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. "Good people go to heaven while bad people go to hell." "Jesus was in a relationship with Mary of Magdalane." In fact, whenever the New Testament gospels refer to Jesus’ natural relatives, they speak only of his father, mother, and siblings, but never of a wife. Jesus and his family realized that he had a special calling which would make marriage quite difficult, then he could surely have remained single. Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdroberts/series/was-jesus-married-a-careful-look-at-the-real-evidence/#ixzz3GibCulKq "The God of the Old Testament is different than the God of the New Testament." "The Council of Nicea was responsible for deciding what books were to be included." The Council of Nicea did not address the books of the bible or deal with issues of canonicity, or regarding which books should be part of the New Testament.1 |
"The Council of Nicea invented the deity of Jesus in 325 AD"
The Council of Nicea did not invent the Deity of Jesus. Christians well before the Council of NIcea already believed that Jesus was God based on a number of New Testament passages (John 5:18; 14:9; 20:28; Heb. 1:8; Rev. 5:9).
"The New Testament claim that Jesus was God Incarnate that died and then was resurrected was a copied myth of pagan stories such as Horus"
False.
The most common comparison is between the myth of Horus and the canonical writings of Jesus.
According to Egyptian mythology, Horus was originally believed to be the son of Ra and Hathor and the husband/brother of Isis. Later he
was seen as the son of Osiris and Isis once Hathor and Isis were merged into one being. Horus was considered the sky, sun, and moon god
represented by a man with the head of falcon.
VIRGIN BIRTH There are two separate birth accounts in regards to Horus (neither depict a virgin birth):
Version 1: Hathor, the motherly personification of the milky way, is said to have conceived Horus but we are told her husband, Ra, was an
Egyptian sun god. Hathor (a sky goddess) was represented by the cow whose milk brought forth the milky way. By the will of her husband Ra,
she gave birth to Horus:
"I, Hathor of Thebes, mistress of the goddesses, to grant to him a coming forth into the presence [of the god]... Hathor of Thebes, who was
incarnate in the form of a cow and a woman." Source and Source
Version 2: When we examine Isis as Horus' mother, we are told Isis was not a virgin, but the widow of Osiris. Isis practices magic to raise
Osiris from the dead so she can bear a son that would avenge his death. Isis then becomes pregnant from the sperm of her deceased
husband. Again, no virgin birth occurs:
"[Isis] made to rise up the helpless members [penis] of him whose heart was at rest, she drew from him his essence [sperm], and she made
therefrom an heir [Horus]." Source and Source
THE FATHER AND SON UNITY Critics suggest the Christian trinity was adapted from the notion of Osiris, Ra, and Horus being one god in
essence. Because Horus was born after the death of Osiris, it came to be believed he was the resurrection, or reincarnation, of Osiris:
"He avengeth thee in his name of 'Horus, the son who avenged his father." Source
Throughout the centuries, the Egyptians eventually considered Osiris and Horus as one and the same. However, this son-as-the-father
comparison more closely resembles the metamorphosis of Hathor into Isis than it does the Christian trinity. We see Horus first as the son of
Ra, then being the equivalent of Ra, then Ra finally becoming just as aspect of Horus. Similar to Hathor and Isis, we simply see a merger of
one being into another. In Egyptian mythology, each god had a distinct beginning by being conceived from other gods. In Christian
theology, God and Jesus always existed as one and the same, neither having a beginning or an end. Jesus' birth did not represent His
creation- only His advent in human from. Furthermore, the father-son concept was not created by first-century Christians. Prophecies in the
Old Testament referred to the future Messiah as the Son of God up to 1,000 years before the birth of Christ. I Chronicles 17:13-14
CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION Horus is never said to have been crucified, nevertheless to have died. The only connection we can
make to Horus being resurrected is if we consider the eventual merger of Horus and Osiris. But such a theory results in an catch 22,
apparently noticed by the Egyptians as they later altered their beliefs to fix the contradictions. In the Egyptian tale, Osiris is either
dismembered by Set in battle or sealed in a chest and drowned in the Nile. Isis then pieces Osiris' body back together and resurrects Osiris to
conceive an heir that will avenge Osiris' death (although technically Osiris is never actually resurrected as he is forbidden to return to the world
of the living). Source and Source
"[Set] brought a shapely and decorated chest, which he had caused to be made according to the measurements of the king's body... Set
proclaimed that he would gift the chest unto him whose body fitted its proportions with exactness... Then Osiris came forward. He lay down
within the chest, and he filled it in every part. But dearly was his triumph won in that dark hour which was his doom. Ere he could raise his
body, the evil followers of Set sprang suddenly forward and shut down the lid, which they nailed fast and soldered with lead. So the richly
decorated chest became the coffin of the good king Osiris, from whom departed the breath of life." Source
BORN ON THE 25TH OF DECEMBER Horus' birth was actually celebrated during the month of Khoiak, (October/November). Though some
critics claim Horus was born during the winter solstice, this shows more of a relationship to other pagan religions which considered the solstices
sacred.
TWELVE DISCIPLES Superficially this similarity seems accurate until we see Horus' "disciples" were not disciples at all- they were the twelve
signs of the zodiac which became associated with Horus, a sky god. However Jesus' disciples were actual men who lived and died, whose
writings exist to this day, and whose lives are recorded by historians. Because Horus' "disciples" were merely signs of the zodiac, they never
taught his philosophy or spread his teachings. The fact that there are twelve signs of the zodiac (twelve months) as compared to Jesus' twelve
apostles is an insignificant coincidence.
MOUNTAINTOP ENCOUNTER Critics point out the similarity of both Jesus and Horus having an encounter on a mountaintop with their
enemies. Instead of dissecting this piece by piece, I will simply give each version of events and let the reader observe the (obvious)
differences:
Jesus: After Jesus completes His fast in the wilderness, Satan tries to tempt Jesus by offering Him all the kingdoms of the world if Jesus
agrees to worship him, but Jesus refuses. Matthew 4:1-11
Horus: During battle, Horus rips off one of Set's testicles while Set (sometimes called Seth) gorges out Horus' eye. Set later tries to prove his
dominance by initiating intercourse with Horus. Horus catches Set's semen in his hand and throws it into a nearby river. Horus later
masturbates and spreads his semen over lettuce which Set consumes. Both Set and Horus stand before the gods to proclaim their right to rule
Egypt. When Set claims dominance over Horus, his semen is found in the river. When Horus' dominance is considered, his semen is found
within Set so Horus is granted rule over Egypt:
"O that castrated one! O this man! O he who hurries him who hurries, among you two! These- this first corporation of the company of the
justified... Was born before the eye of Horus was plucked out, before the testicles of Set were torn away." Source "It is the day on which Horus
fought with Set, who cast filth in the face of Horus, and when Horus destroyed the powers of Set." Source "Then [Set] appeared before the
divine council and claimed the throne. But the gods gave judgment that Horus was the rightful king, and he established his power in the land of
Egypt, and became a wise and strong ruler like to his father Osiris." Source
Skeptic Interjection: Does the similarity between the names Set and Satan hold any significance?
Answer: Set's variant names include Seth, Sutekh, Setesh, and Seteh. The root Set is usually considered to translate into dazzler or stable
pillar. The different suffixes of his name add the meanings majestic, supreme, and desert. The name Satan comes from the Semitic root Stn
which represents opposition. Before his fall, Satan's original name was Lucifer, or angel of light. The term Satan represents a general
adversary, hence his accepted identity. Though both names consist of an S and a T, their meanings have nothing in common. The spellings are
only a result of the original root words which represent their character. Source and Source
SIMILAR TITLES Critics allege Horus held similar titles used to identify Jesus such as Messiah, Savior, Son of Man, Good Shepherd, Lamb of
God, The Way, the Truth, the Light, and Living Word. However I can find no evidence of any of these names ever being used in reference to
Horus. I am especially suspicious of the word Messiah since it is Hebrew in origin.
IN CONCLUSION We can see the differences between Jesus and Horus far outweigh any superficial correlations.
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The Council of Nicea did not invent the Deity of Jesus. Christians well before the Council of NIcea already believed that Jesus was God based on a number of New Testament passages (John 5:18; 14:9; 20:28; Heb. 1:8; Rev. 5:9).
"The New Testament claim that Jesus was God Incarnate that died and then was resurrected was a copied myth of pagan stories such as Horus"
False.
The most common comparison is between the myth of Horus and the canonical writings of Jesus.
According to Egyptian mythology, Horus was originally believed to be the son of Ra and Hathor and the husband/brother of Isis. Later he
was seen as the son of Osiris and Isis once Hathor and Isis were merged into one being. Horus was considered the sky, sun, and moon god
represented by a man with the head of falcon.
VIRGIN BIRTH There are two separate birth accounts in regards to Horus (neither depict a virgin birth):
Version 1: Hathor, the motherly personification of the milky way, is said to have conceived Horus but we are told her husband, Ra, was an
Egyptian sun god. Hathor (a sky goddess) was represented by the cow whose milk brought forth the milky way. By the will of her husband Ra,
she gave birth to Horus:
"I, Hathor of Thebes, mistress of the goddesses, to grant to him a coming forth into the presence [of the god]... Hathor of Thebes, who was
incarnate in the form of a cow and a woman." Source and Source
Version 2: When we examine Isis as Horus' mother, we are told Isis was not a virgin, but the widow of Osiris. Isis practices magic to raise
Osiris from the dead so she can bear a son that would avenge his death. Isis then becomes pregnant from the sperm of her deceased
husband. Again, no virgin birth occurs:
"[Isis] made to rise up the helpless members [penis] of him whose heart was at rest, she drew from him his essence [sperm], and she made
therefrom an heir [Horus]." Source and Source
THE FATHER AND SON UNITY Critics suggest the Christian trinity was adapted from the notion of Osiris, Ra, and Horus being one god in
essence. Because Horus was born after the death of Osiris, it came to be believed he was the resurrection, or reincarnation, of Osiris:
"He avengeth thee in his name of 'Horus, the son who avenged his father." Source
Throughout the centuries, the Egyptians eventually considered Osiris and Horus as one and the same. However, this son-as-the-father
comparison more closely resembles the metamorphosis of Hathor into Isis than it does the Christian trinity. We see Horus first as the son of
Ra, then being the equivalent of Ra, then Ra finally becoming just as aspect of Horus. Similar to Hathor and Isis, we simply see a merger of
one being into another. In Egyptian mythology, each god had a distinct beginning by being conceived from other gods. In Christian
theology, God and Jesus always existed as one and the same, neither having a beginning or an end. Jesus' birth did not represent His
creation- only His advent in human from. Furthermore, the father-son concept was not created by first-century Christians. Prophecies in the
Old Testament referred to the future Messiah as the Son of God up to 1,000 years before the birth of Christ. I Chronicles 17:13-14
CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION Horus is never said to have been crucified, nevertheless to have died. The only connection we can
make to Horus being resurrected is if we consider the eventual merger of Horus and Osiris. But such a theory results in an catch 22,
apparently noticed by the Egyptians as they later altered their beliefs to fix the contradictions. In the Egyptian tale, Osiris is either
dismembered by Set in battle or sealed in a chest and drowned in the Nile. Isis then pieces Osiris' body back together and resurrects Osiris to
conceive an heir that will avenge Osiris' death (although technically Osiris is never actually resurrected as he is forbidden to return to the world
of the living). Source and Source
"[Set] brought a shapely and decorated chest, which he had caused to be made according to the measurements of the king's body... Set
proclaimed that he would gift the chest unto him whose body fitted its proportions with exactness... Then Osiris came forward. He lay down
within the chest, and he filled it in every part. But dearly was his triumph won in that dark hour which was his doom. Ere he could raise his
body, the evil followers of Set sprang suddenly forward and shut down the lid, which they nailed fast and soldered with lead. So the richly
decorated chest became the coffin of the good king Osiris, from whom departed the breath of life." Source
BORN ON THE 25TH OF DECEMBER Horus' birth was actually celebrated during the month of Khoiak, (October/November). Though some
critics claim Horus was born during the winter solstice, this shows more of a relationship to other pagan religions which considered the solstices
sacred.
TWELVE DISCIPLES Superficially this similarity seems accurate until we see Horus' "disciples" were not disciples at all- they were the twelve
signs of the zodiac which became associated with Horus, a sky god. However Jesus' disciples were actual men who lived and died, whose
writings exist to this day, and whose lives are recorded by historians. Because Horus' "disciples" were merely signs of the zodiac, they never
taught his philosophy or spread his teachings. The fact that there are twelve signs of the zodiac (twelve months) as compared to Jesus' twelve
apostles is an insignificant coincidence.
MOUNTAINTOP ENCOUNTER Critics point out the similarity of both Jesus and Horus having an encounter on a mountaintop with their
enemies. Instead of dissecting this piece by piece, I will simply give each version of events and let the reader observe the (obvious)
differences:
Jesus: After Jesus completes His fast in the wilderness, Satan tries to tempt Jesus by offering Him all the kingdoms of the world if Jesus
agrees to worship him, but Jesus refuses. Matthew 4:1-11
Horus: During battle, Horus rips off one of Set's testicles while Set (sometimes called Seth) gorges out Horus' eye. Set later tries to prove his
dominance by initiating intercourse with Horus. Horus catches Set's semen in his hand and throws it into a nearby river. Horus later
masturbates and spreads his semen over lettuce which Set consumes. Both Set and Horus stand before the gods to proclaim their right to rule
Egypt. When Set claims dominance over Horus, his semen is found in the river. When Horus' dominance is considered, his semen is found
within Set so Horus is granted rule over Egypt:
"O that castrated one! O this man! O he who hurries him who hurries, among you two! These- this first corporation of the company of the
justified... Was born before the eye of Horus was plucked out, before the testicles of Set were torn away." Source "It is the day on which Horus
fought with Set, who cast filth in the face of Horus, and when Horus destroyed the powers of Set." Source "Then [Set] appeared before the
divine council and claimed the throne. But the gods gave judgment that Horus was the rightful king, and he established his power in the land of
Egypt, and became a wise and strong ruler like to his father Osiris." Source
Skeptic Interjection: Does the similarity between the names Set and Satan hold any significance?
Answer: Set's variant names include Seth, Sutekh, Setesh, and Seteh. The root Set is usually considered to translate into dazzler or stable
pillar. The different suffixes of his name add the meanings majestic, supreme, and desert. The name Satan comes from the Semitic root Stn
which represents opposition. Before his fall, Satan's original name was Lucifer, or angel of light. The term Satan represents a general
adversary, hence his accepted identity. Though both names consist of an S and a T, their meanings have nothing in common. The spellings are
only a result of the original root words which represent their character. Source and Source
SIMILAR TITLES Critics allege Horus held similar titles used to identify Jesus such as Messiah, Savior, Son of Man, Good Shepherd, Lamb of
God, The Way, the Truth, the Light, and Living Word. However I can find no evidence of any of these names ever being used in reference to
Horus. I am especially suspicious of the word Messiah since it is Hebrew in origin.
IN CONCLUSION We can see the differences between Jesus and Horus far outweigh any superficial correlations.
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Read more: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/jesus-and-pagan-mythology#ixzz3DmM6W1Hr